The Last Stand

[Gronde]

I know some of you have seen this but I am sick of TLS looking like the bad guy. People infer that no efforts were made by TLS to work with you. Yet, as you can read for yourselves TLS leadership made a serious effort to get our x "friendly guilds" to come together for a common goal.

Yet, aside from some positive dialogue not one of you nor a single member from any of your guilds made any effort whatsoever to contact me or any member of TLS leadership for our teamspeak address or to coordinate raiding and holding something of relevance within the game.

Why is it that not one of you followed up with this? You complain incessantly about our members and our guild in general. You constantly construe that we don't care and make up lies and misdirection to prove our side. It is ludicous that not even one of you not a single one followed up with our offer to come together.

As I stated before without mini pk you will get attacked. No if ands or buts about it. I see a red x I am attacking it. However, had you been in TS odds are you would of gotten known and never had an issue.

You failed to follow up with or even come up with any viable alternative to our offer to utilize TLS teamspeak to join forces and to cooperate in a meaningful and productive way.

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Gronde
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Joined: 07 Apr 2003
Posts: 751
Location: Seattle
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 8:47 am Post subject: Time to unite

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If you want to show that you are a guild with purpose then it is time to unite and stop our bickering. This is everyones opportunity to show some gumption.

If by now you don't know that the 140 plus lugie dungeon is the "hot spot" on the server then consider this a heads up. Bloodtides are crawling all over this dungeon. I think we can all agree that bloodtide is a mutual enemy. The xp is wonderous. Here is an opportunity for all "antis" to show they still have some fight in them. You can kill bloodtides and get great xp. How can you possibly do better then that?

TLS raids this place as frequently as possible. We have teamspeak as well which is a very important tool nowadays. TLS would be willing to let you use our teamspeak to come raid with us. You don't even have to talk just listen for the targets.

This is a chance to come together let's do it.
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[DarkLegends]

Gronde, in any of my arguments i'm not saying TLS may not be trying, but one thing I DO Believe in is the whole "You will get attacked because I won't ID you"...

Its NOT hard to ID someone...its simply not. It takes 1 second, hell, less....so attacks should NOT happen often. I can see when they may happen EVERY now and then, but to many is just the person attacking being plain lazy.

Look at it this way.....If TLS got attacked by TFK (Before the whole kos thing) 1 time a day, hell, 1 time every 3 days, and TLS posted on TFK's boards, 1 time, every 3 days............Would you not believe they could not control there members?? But this don't happen, because upon the approval of someone being in TFK, or any other anti (And i'm saying anti only because you knwo exactly what i mean when I say it) the person that is joining the guild UNDERSTANDS who to attack and not, and they WILL be liable for it.

In your own rules it says don't attack friendly guilds.....But peopl ekeep doing it ......They get no ban, no strike, no smack on the wrist, no even "ID The person next time". But, if they are recieving ANY OF THIS and you don't post it on the complaint board, with the complaint, you are slitting your own throat. If you ARE doing something to prevent something, or you ARE doing something to better the guild, better the DT community, trying to work with others, displineing (however the hell you spell it) your guild, than show it. Do you understand where I am coming from? I'm not attacking TLS just simply saying that there should be RULES and people SHOULD follow them. It does, unfortunently, seem like #'s have started to matter instead of quality...and this will be the short rise, and even quicker fall of any guild.

Thats just my 2 cents..
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[Slayer Deathstrike]

I myself am not fairing too well with these new members, dont know how much more shit I can take.
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[AzulDrakkon]

Granted, you made a post. So did other people, did you go out of your way to organize a server for voicechat or post the info to yours or get ig and contact leaders? if not, you're guilty of the same crime you accuse others of.

As for Alzar, I can tell you that was a day or two before our members started getting attacked often (and this was pre-war) so most of the issues I brought to you were concerning those issues, and you blew them off or sided with your guildmate while ignoring the evidence given. I rather hold no dungeon than have to worry if the person I'm hunting with is trustworthy.

[M-U-L-E]

I see Gronde if u red u die and know one in DT don't know the khao same rules for the past 4+ years and know one don't know how to find out the rules before breaking them. Do we have leadership in are clan that will give strikes and boot if any one breaks any rules know matter who u are that will get a strike or boot? mmm let me see i seen 1 person that got the boot when Santo try to kill the Tinker so that one rule for sure we have. The rest i think been thrown out the window. ( 1 boot no strike for the past 2 weeks sence all the rules been broken many times )
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[Low Pan]

there also must be a period of leniency for A) the merger of the clans and B) the MiniPk downtime. Once Decal is back up then all rules must be applied to their fullest extent. But until then, we'd be kicking someone out everyday and next thing you know this forum is clogged w/ "wth did I get booted" posts. You can't win either way. So until Decal and Mini Pk are up and running I feel every instance should be treated on a case by case basis. yes it is in the Motd, but the Motd is up for a short while until additional text pushes it beyond retrievable in the chat window. I, for one, do not have the problem of attacking friendlies because I am aware of whom we are on good terms w/ and whom we are not. But the newest guild members may not be. True ish talking, constant attacking, etc is uncalled for, but full disclosure of what transpired, from both POV's, needs to be collected, reviewed by the Council and then a response can be determined. Demanding a response, rather, putting forth an ultimatum for a response...come on now, this makes you sound like N.Korea in these multi nation talks...."Give us a light water nuclear reactor, now." Do you think they're going to get one?

I have fellowed w/ many TFKs and BlkRks and would not like us to go to war or fall to a KoS status. I hope matters will be resolved once the tools we relied so much on to keep track of all of DT's guild status's are restored.

[Nim]

Time is the solution to this problem.
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[M-U-L-E]

Low pan if u don't know how to Id some one when u port in i'll show u how. it not hard it takes less then a sec to ID any one. so hear how u do it.
when u port in to any place if u see a red x just click on this key = and click the left mouse button it will Id the closes person near u it so easy and fast left hand on the = key and the right hand on the left mouse clicker bam bam so fast and easy. damn i should be a Teacher.

Low pan about the rules. if u don't know the rules ask some one and if u scare to ask because u don't want to feel dumn well go to the clans forum. every clan has there own forum that state all the rules come on now awmost every one khows the khao clan rules.

I'll tell u this Khao is a awsome clan to be apart of there is still great people in this clan will go out of there way to help out.. but there is also lots of routen apple need to be thrown away because thay are Dumn or don't give a rats ass about the rules. lots of use are long time clan mates been with each other for a long time and it will be nice to give them some respect and not let others run them out.
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[Low Pan]

[Low Pan]

btw, Morgoth is my brother, so if something happens, one way or another I am knowing right away. I keep the guilds rep, his IG rep, as well as mine, sacred.

[Slayer Deathstrike]

lol Mule I love reading your posts man.

Just do what I do when I raid, keep everything on ID so when you shuffle through all the people your constantly IDing them and dont need to do anything else. Besides that if youve been out there in the field of battle as long as I have you know who is who without having to ID them as well, regardless of the fact though we are not a guild that randomly kills anyone they see, I mean conceivably we can do that if we want but most of us dont, why bother killing an untagged what pleasure do you get out of that, I will kill them if they interfere with me in any way though, such as constantly trying to swear to me or trying to open a trade with me when im looting, those are easy enough to take off but heh anyways gotta get back to work, have fun kiddos.
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[M-U-L-E]

Low Pan I just read my post again like 3 times and it not met for u.. it was a smart ass responce for the people that not following the rules.. i was using U as a example.. wich i do apologies to.. i should of worded it a diffrent way.
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[Low Pan]

hehe, np

[kreep]

quotes from gronde's original post

[Gronde]

I checked that thread again and her last post reads closely to this but not exactly seeming that someone is concerned that this info be public:

Gronde, I think the best way to play this is to make sure that your people who raid the dungeon, if they meet up with ours, know the connection info for your TS server and can get our guys hooked up at that time. (A guest account or anonymous one?)

I've put directions and instructions on our forums for how to get there.

"if they meet up with ours" This is asking for our info? This is coordinating an effort? As far as I can tell this is stating IF THEY HAPPEN TO STUMBLE UPON YOUR MEMBERS give them the info. Well, no shit of course our guys know the info. Maybe in your ultimate wisdom you should of inquired for the info and committed to this suggestion. Instead of committing to a serious suggestion with an honest attempt to get your guilds involved with ours again you shrugged it off.

Frankly I don't care at this point the proof is in the post percieve it as you wish.

PS: I know who Jan Spratt is thanks for enlightening me.
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