The Last Stand

Kizzim · Jinin Joined: 27 Nov 2003 Posts: 15 Location: Houston, Tx

I was in the villa today chillin talkin to a friend and trading, i was teasing some chick, and i guess she took it the wrong way and started hardcore insulting me in public says. My patron walks in the middle of it, and asks me to apologize to his brother's friend or else. Im like look, she started it, you aint my daddy, if i feel like apologizing i will. He boots, the villa pops me out, and he kills me.

His justification was his brother is more important than a stupid game.

I know im not a full member and ive only been in a week, but i followed the Khao rules. Ive never even had a argument in the clan before, muchless something of this magnitude happening. If my patron 'Big Scurry Mangina' would have let the situation, which had settled down, just end on its own, im sure apologizies would have been made, and people gone on their way. Yet, he decides to escalate it, and pk someone without a tag in a anti zone, when hes wearing that tag.

I hold no responsibility for the actions of this one character to the guild. Ive had a great time in the tag, nothing but good people, its a shame that one verbal disagreement can lead to gross violation of the clan's charter.

Here are the screenshots:

Kizzim · Jinin Joined: 27 Nov 2003 Posts: 15 Location: Houston, Tx

Text file, asked for by a core member.

01:23:22 > Big Scurry Mangina says, "whats going on...."
01:23:26 > Magnus Runelord says, "Buff Lightning Bane"
01:23:28 > Kizzim tucks Lil Bratt II into bed like her daddy.
01:23:30 > Magnus Runelord says, "Stamina to Mana"
01:23:34 > Magnus Runelord says, "Revitalize"
01:23:39 > Magnus Runelord says, "Buff Mana Conversion"
01:23:44 > You say to your Patron, "little bitch is talkin shit"
01:23:44 > Magnus Runelord says, "Buff Mana Regeneration"
01:23:48 > Magnus Runelord says, "Buff Critter Magic"
01:23:50 > Player:Tyreal X Monarch:Rim - AntiVille Member at:0.23N 0.17E
01:23:51 > Magnus Runelord says, "Buffs? You want buffs? Scoot closer and I'll provide the love you need."
01:23:52 > Magnus Runelord says, "Buff Item Magic"
01:23:52 > Lil Bratt II says, "4 yay for JIZZEM"
01:23:56 > Magnus Runelord says, "Buff Life Magic"
01:23:59 > X-Janitor says, "Hey Kizim chill man"
01:24:00 > Your patron Big Scurry Mangina says to you, "she's a very good friend of james's (midgets)"
01:24:04 > Player:Big Scurry Midget Monarch:Khao - AntiVille Member at:0.02N 0.00W
01:24:12 > Big Scurry Mangina says, "knock it off"
01:24:14 > Player:Richierich Monarch:Zandar Blackrock - AntiVille Member at:0.32N 0.86W
01:24:14 > Soter successfully applies the Salvaged Steel (100) (workmanship 6.12) to the Copper Sollerets inscribed by Ua Melee.
01:24:16 > Soter successfully applies the Salvaged Steel (100) (workmanship 6.53) to the Copper Sollerets inscribed by Ua Melee.
01:24:17 > Soter successfully applies the Salvaged Steel (100) (workmanship 6.59) to the Copper Sollerets inscribed by Ua Melee.
01:24:17 > Player:Vladimir-The-Feared Monarch:Adnan - AntiVille Member at:0.33N 0.47W
01:24:19 > Soter successfully applies the Salvaged Steel (100) (workmanship 6.75) to the Copper Sollerets inscribed by Ua Melee.
01:24:23 > Gfunk says, "w00t"
01:24:24 > Lil Bratt II says, "if you dont say jizzem he wont understand you"
01:24:26 > Richierich says, "soter"
01:24:27 > You say to your Patron, "well maybe he can stand the whore, i cant"
01:24:29 > Gfunk says, "ty"
01:24:35 > God of the Fallen says, "tyvm =)"
01:24:36 > Big Scurry Midget says, "mikey"
01:24:42 > You say to your Patron, "id sooner snap the bitches neck and call it a night"
01:24:44 > Big Scurry Mangina says, "say the word..."
01:24:52 > Magnus Runelord tells you, "Now starting your weapon buffs."
01:24:56 > Gfunk says, "hey soter hehe brb with another bag "
01:24:57 > Magnus Runelord says, "Buff Blood Drinker"
01:24:57 > Big Scurry Mangina says, "kizzim"
01:25:01 > Magnus Runelord says, "Buff Heart Seeker"
01:25:01 > Gfunk says, "hehe"
01:25:09 > Big Scurry Mangina says, "i'll give you one chance to apologize"
01:25:10 > Magnus Runelord says, "Buff Heart Seeker"
01:25:13 > Magnus Runelord says, "Buff Swift Killer"
01:25:15 > jwv:Xeem_Nirin> anyone else wanna come macro with us/
01:25:16 > Big Scurry Midget says, "naw"
01:25:17 > Magnus Runelord says, "Stamina to Mana"
01:25:21 > Big Scurry Midget says, "he hasnt even been in the guild a week"
01:25:21 > Magnus Runelord says, "Revitalize"
01:25:25 > Big Scurry Midget says, "and hes shit talking"
01:25:25 > Magnus Runelord says, "Buff Defender"
01:25:27 > You say, "or what? please... yer my patron, not my daddy fool"
01:25:30 > Magnus Runelord tells you, "Finished! Your buffs took 37 secs"
01:25:30 > jwv:Xeem_Nirin> and if anyone sees the powers tell em they died
01:25:34 > Magnus Runelord tells you, "Now starting your shield buffs."
01:25:35 > Big Scurry Mangina says, "late dog"
01:25:35 > Magnus Runelord says, "Buff Impenetrability"
01:25:37 > Gfunk says, "Primary Recall"
01:25:39 > Lil Bratt II says, "no shit, ive been in for a year and a lalf"
01:25:41 > Magnus Runelord says, "Buff Blade Bane"
01:25:42 > Big Scurry Mangina has broken their Allegiance to you!
01:25:42 > You have been booted out of Khao's house!
01:25:43 > Magnus Runelord tells you, "You are too far away! Deleting your buff queue ..."
01:26:08 > You tell Big Scurry Mangina, "hah... yer loss, ill find another patron"
01:26:11 > Big Scurry Midget grazes your upper leg for 15 points of bludgeoning damage!
01:26:12 > Big Scurry Midget says, "bye"
01:26:15 > Big Scurry Mangina tells you, "not worried bout it bro"
01:26:17 > Player:Good stuff Monarch:Khao - AntiVille Member at:0.09N 0.34W
01:26:21 > Big Scurry Mangina tells you, "i choose my brother over a game"
01:26:26 > Big Scurry Midget says, "Vuln Imperil"
01:26:29 > Big Scurry Midget cast Gossamer Flesh on you
01:26:30 > Big Scurry Midget says, "Inept Strength"
01:26:33 > Big Scurry Midget tried and failed to cast a spell at you!
01:26:38 > Big Scurry Midget says, "Inept Strength"
01:26:40 > Big Scurry Midget tried and failed to cast a spell at you!
01:26:49 > Big Scurry Midget says, "Vuln Bludgeon"
01:26:52 > Big Scurry Midget cast Tusker's Gift on you
01:26:56 > Big Scurry Midget says, "Inept Strength"
01:26:56 > You have been involved in a player killer battle too recently to do that!
01:26:58 > Big Scurry Midget tried and failed to cast a spell at you!
01:27:00 > Big Scurry Midget says, "Inept Strength"
01:27:01 > dread hamburgler is logged on.
01:27:03 > Big Scurry Midget cast Senescence on you
01:27:16 > Richierich tried and failed to assess you!
01:27:17 > Big Scurry Midget smashes your lower arm for 64 points of bludgeoning damage!
01:27:18 > Big Scurry Midget smashes your hand for 73 points of bludgeoning damage!
01:27:21 > I just died:The force of Big Scurry Midget's assault flattens you!
01:27:21 > The force of Big Scurry Midget's assault flattens you!
01:27:23 > Bael'Zharon has granted you respite after your moment of weakness. You are temporarily no longer a player killer.
01:27:23 > You've lost 33,089 Pyreals, your Silver Helmet, your Gold Ring, and your Ivory Lightning Dagger!
01:27:23 > Your corpse is located at (35.0N, 7.6W).
01:27:45 > You tell Dread Hamburgler, "nice clan"
01:27:46 > big scurry mangina has logged off.

Dark Prince II · Shi-Chueh Joined: 07 Apr 2003 Posts: 823

Were you refering to another tls member when you said these things to your patron? If so you deserve to get killed.

01:24:27 > You say to your Patron, "well maybe he can stand the whore, i cant"

01:24:42 > You say to your Patron, "id sooner snap the bitches neck and call it a night"
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Kizzim · Jinin Joined: 27 Nov 2003 Posts: 15 Location: Houston, Tx

Guess you assume everyone is nice. Im sorry last time i checked the charter of you Anti-Guild didnt include, well you dont have the follow the rules if you say "ill snap the bitch's neck", etc.

Things are said in the heat of the moment, the 'bitch' was saying just as bad of stuff to me. Doesnt make either one of us right. The problem was that this person brough a friendship into something that had no place, then took extreme measures, breaking the charter to feel better.

Dark Prince II · Shi-Chueh Joined: 07 Apr 2003 Posts: 823

Maybe you should add the chat log or screenshot of him shit talking you also.

Because we do have rules against trash talking. (see below)

5) No RACIST GARBAGE (appendage:

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Trash talk!!!

Is NOT acceptable. It is not a readily KOS'able offense. It is determined on a case by case scenario. What's this mean? Simply DON'T do it.

Just because your enemies deem it fit to trash talk does not make it acceptable for you to do it often. Often the severity of trash talking does not matter. Simply doing it may get you in trouble or reported IG to an admin. Trash talk with excessive foul language and lewd gestures CAN AND WILL get you banned from AC. Keep away from it.

Not sure what trash talking is? Say hello to Al Neo of BRN (IG as In Flames) and you're sure to get more than an ear-full of it. =Þ

Curb your mouths and act maturely. If you don't think we will reprimand you for it, then just refer to the recent case that involved the removal of a Core Member of TLS. The trash talk was not the sole reason for his removal, however, it tipped the iceberg for him and will for you too.
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Soter · Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 1:39 am Post subject:

well put dark prince.

you have not provided the entire script or at least enough for us to look at from both point of views.
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Kizzim · Jinin Joined: 27 Nov 2003 Posts: 15 Location: Houston, Tx

Whatever, its pointless.. you obviously dont want to punish a member who broke the charter, thats your business. Soter you were there, you saw the entire arguement, its pointless for me to post the entire dialog, in the script is one or two of the tauntings at me, thats all you need...

01:23:52 > Lil Bratt II says, "4 yay for JIZZEM"

I started playing darktide in 99, and while i took a break from the game to play EQ for a couple years, the one thing, i know is, you can make all the charters you want, but if you dont enforce them, they are pointless.

When i started playing i was a PK and in HoC, this is my first attempt at Anti and i like it. But what is the point in being a Anti if people still do the same shit all the time.. common really... i see Antis pking left and right, i leave stupid friggin complaints all day long, and you know what it gets me? a wasted 10 minutes uploading the fucking screenshots, and a leader locking the post and saying "problem solved". The nextday the same fucker is doing the same shit. How is that problem solved? How is that so called anti behavior? Atleast pk guilds stand behind their few rules, and i can honestly say i was never pked by my own patron or clan-mate because of a stupid verbal argument, so say what you want about pkers, bloods, whatever... so far they are showing more honor and atleast consistancy.

bigscurry · Jinin Joined: 21 Jun 2003 Posts: 41

I seem to remember telling you... soon as it was found your friend nelice came under suspicion for clan hopping that you would be kicked + killed by myself if you so much as fucked up in the tiniest way. Did you think i was kidding? No, i must have just told you that for my health. You must have thought both mangina or Reeves were kidding as well when they relayed the same promise to you.

Now little did you know , mangina plays right next to me - so i saw everything you had said. I didn't have the need or want to listen to you try and bullshit your way out of it so i simply had him kick you , and fixed my mistake.

http://www.geocities.com/cockeyedblindguy/

Those are some screen shots from lil bratt's argument with you. (yes the ones i promised you) You know, the part of the story you so convieniently forgot.

-Scurry

PS :
Kizzim told you, aye.. id start sending your app to maybe blood or fallen god

May be better to follow your own advice.

Kizzim · Jinin Joined: 27 Nov 2003 Posts: 15 Location: Houston, Tx

I used my influence to get my roommate into the clan. He hopped clans the first day he started playing trying to find a decent clan. WOW FUCK, who didnt do that?

Second, never in any situation did Reeves or you threaten to kill anyone if they 'fucked up' and thirdly, i didnt fuck up, your stupid friend did. You were looking for a excuse to take out yer bend out rage against your father molesting you, so you attacked me. Simply put. If she/he had such a big problem with me, she/he could have killed me, she/he could have retaliated, but no, she/he knew it was against charter rules and didnt. You did. You wanna hang behind a anti tag with that kind of attitude fine, all your going to do is taint the clan's name. Seriously, how the fuck did you get past the recruitment stage?

What the hell is with those screenshots? you playing a friggin atari? I cant tell if they are that horrible to cover up your cut and paste jobs or what. But like i said? whats that suppose to prove except what i was saying before. She/he was trashtalking to? What because shes a full member and im a applicant her actions get ignored? please. Can someone with some real authority please come on and comment about this bullshit, really...

And once again, you knew jack about what happened in the entire argument, your not even using yer own screenshots. You came into the ass half of the argument and the only thing you thought about before breaking the charter was wow, im gonna make big brother proud by defending his little online friend and backstabbing my own vassel. God, can i feel that clan loyalty and friendship.. hah.

bigscurry · Jinin Joined: 21 Jun 2003 Posts: 41

Another thing - I've Been in khao for a year and a half.
Never once had a complaint filed against me.

......You werent even on probation....you were ALMOST on probation a week.

-scurry

bigscurry · Jinin Joined: 21 Jun 2003 Posts: 41

As I said , i fixed my mistake. Or did that go right over your head?
Let me lay it out for you since you can't seem to grasp the concept. (or refuse to...and hell lie through your crooked ass teeth) You and your friend were accepted back under me for power leveling purposes and would eventually be accepted into the guild should you keep your nose clean. Guess you couldn't do that. Not even when asked to. So no, bratt never asked me to kill you or to even kick you. I just simply made a decision you were trash.

And exactly what influence did you have? I'm dying to hear this one. Go ahead , tell another joke. I'll be waitin on pins n needles sweetness. Hows about that code of honor you seem to hold in such high regards for yourself? We can get you on comedy central.

Go join your brothers and sisters in blood , clown.

Kizzim · Jinin Joined: 27 Nov 2003 Posts: 15 Location: Houston, Tx

Really Baked · Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 6:39 am Post subject:

You got a big problem with language and you really should watch how u talk considering ur lvl 33 and can show no proof u were in tls before hand. I will direct a Leader to this post but personaly if i see ui n game count on being white.
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a portal logger tls · Leader Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Posts: 1381

You know I approved you to get p lvled and in that matter that means big was responcible for your actions and well disrespecting another clan member that way guess what I would have killed u and made big broke u, maybe next time youll think to respect your clan and its members a little better then this as I dont want members with no respect in this clan good luck on dt, u wont be added to kos but dont bother applying as ull be denied!
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