Attendees:

Deao
Ling Poh
Sniper Glennnn
Stylgar
Movral
Hunters Chase
Barack
Red Wolf
Tamo
Astura al'Azif
Blast Jr / Khali
Miko K-Sun
Simone
Fun Chow
Rimgar Redsun
Ordius
Gryff

The following is a tremendously long script of the event. There is
some random commentary that I found humorous, but most of the
irrelevant was cut along with random spell casting and non-related
people's comments. - Scott (Fun Chow, casts Scribe Mastery Self IX)

Sniper glennnn says, "ok her comes the rest"
Miko K-sun says, "so my question is ..... what does sniper want? what
does mo want? what does everybody want?"
You say, "Yo tengo Katar!"
Tamo says, "Alright. Let's get this portalstorm brewing."
Sniper glennnn says, "ok everyone"
Deao says, "lol Persia"
Miko K-sun wants an events comittee of 4 members
Sniper glennnn says, "i am tryin to find otu HONESTLY what everyoen
wants to say about the currnent state of teh source"
Persia says, "hey guys its Flip/Hunters Chase.... i'll sit"
Sniper glennnn says, "cool"
Movarl says, "I want 3 members and a subcommitee"
Deao says, "ok"
Miko K-sun says, "deao like my armor altereds have my black"
Red Wolf says, "First tell me what is wrong with it"
You say, "Can someone catch us up on events of this meeting?"
Deao says, "also, can we sit in some kind of organized manner"
Sniper glennnn says, "ok... we are tryin to decide what to do with
druss as our monarch"
You say, "Away from the Macros"
Deao says, "and designate when and when not to speak so tht everyone
gets heard?"
Tiabin the Swift says, "Malar Quasith"
Miko K-sun says, "there is nothing to catch up on .. we are just
talking "
Miko K-sun says, "here less macro here"
Persia says, "lol"
Persia says, "damn macroers :)"
Sniper glennnn says, "do oyu gusy see anyting wrong with the sate of
the source?"
Astura al'Azif says, "no"
Deao says, "ok, who wants to chair this meeting?"
Sniper glennnn says, "or are you ok with it"
Deao says, "wauit sniper"
Rimgar Redsun says, "yes"
Deao says, "lets get this organized and everything first"
Sniper glennnn says, "ok"
Deao says, "if we are going to have a meeting"
Persia says, "as a new member i do"
Deao says, "we have a fair number of representitives here"
Deao says, "lets make it semi official so everyone isn't always
talking at once"
Movarl says, "okay"
Astura al'Azif says, "yeah, everyone who happened to be logged on at
11pm on Friday night"
Persia says, "hm better log on the right eay"
Movarl says, "hehe"
Deao says, "lol astura"
Astura al'Azif says, "not supposed to be funny"
Tamo says, "*smirk*"
Deao says, "there are about 20 of us here"
Deao says, "I would guess we have abotu 50 total physical people,
maybe 60, tops"
Deao says, "I'm not saying we pass laws"
Movarl says, "heya D :)"
Deao says, "hiya Mo"
Deao says, "just that, I'm guessing a few people would like to say
things"
Deao says, "and we should make sure everyone gets a turn to speak and
be heard"
Sniper glennnn says, "ok may i speak?"
Movarl says, "yes"
Deao says, "so, my first suggestion is to nominate someone to chair
the meeting"
Movarl says, "your show"
Astura al'Azif says, "I nominate D to chair the meeting"
Sniper glennnn says, "ok i called oyu here to disguss the stae of the
source"
Tamo says, "I second."
Stylgar says, "Hello Source... I'm listening...."
You say, "I would offer that the designated speaker stands in front
of the podium, unless addressed by the chair"
Movarl says, "I call Sniper to head the meeting"
Deao says, "sounds good Fun"
Deao says, "I'll regulate, how's that?"
Astura al'Azif says, "yes please"
You say, "No emotes, no side comments, If you want to say
something, /tell them"
Sniper glennnn says, "yes"
Deao says, "yes"
Tamo says, "agreed"
Deao says, "ok, no, sniper, go for it"
Deao says, "your up to bat"
Sniper glennnn says, "ok"
Sniper glennnn says, "as you al see"
Sniper glennnn says, "im no longer under druss"
Sniper glennnn says, "i did this becasue i was sick of ppl
beign "ok " with the monarchy"
Sniper glennnn says, "i HONESTLY want to knwo what EVERYOEN thinks of
the source"
Deao says, "if you'll pardon me for one second"
Sniper glennnn says, "sure"
Deao says, "one more thing, when your done speaking, let me know"
Sniper glennnn says, "k"
Deao says, "people, if you want to say something, tell me"
Stylgar raises his hand.
Deao says, "I'll let people know who's up to speak next"
Sniper glennnn says, "cool"
Deao says, "I type 60+ words a minute, I can handle it, heh"
Sniper glennnn says, "i honestly want everyone to coem up here and
disguss what they think shoudl be changed"
Sniper glennnn says, "if anything"
Sniper glennnn says, "btw i sukc at explainin things"
You tell Deao, "I'd Like to speak"
Sniper glennnn says, "the source used to be a group of ppl that new
everyone"
Deao tells you, "I have you on the list"
Sniper glennnn says, "now i come into town and id soem oen and say
WTF? who is that?"
Sniper glennnn says, "under druss? i didnt hear anything"
Sniper glennnn says, "all i wana know is whos happy and whos not"
Sniper glennnn says, "ok deao am done"
Sniper glennnn says, "for now"
Deao says, "Stylgar"
Deao says, "please go ahead"
Deao says, "also, if someone wants to address a question"
Deao says, "at tell me"
Deao says, "I will let the speaker know"
Stylgar says, "I'd just like to hear what people think is a problem,
before we start trying to find solutions. Sniper?"
Sniper glennnn says, "ok"
Deao says, "sniper"
Stylgar says, "Oh, and pardon my clothes"
Sniper glennnn says, "who source has pretty much split"
Deao says, "go ahead and tell him"
Sniper glennnn says, "er thw"
Sniper glennnn says, "inot high lvl and low lvl"
Deao says, "Sniper"
Sniper glennnn says, "yes?"
Deao says, "I think what styl is saying is what exactly is eating
you, "
Deao says, "we have had this split in levels for awhile"
Stylgar says, "I concur."
Sniper glennnn says, "i am gettin eatin by "
Sniper glennnn says, "no events"
Sniper glennnn says, "a non active monarch"
Sniper glennnn says, "not gettin to REALLy know ppl"
Sniper glennnn says, "ppl splittign into "clicks""
Sniper glennnn says, "doesnt anyoen else notice?"
Sniper glennnn says, "ok that a bit of it"
Deao says, "Red Wold"
Sniper glennnn says, "answered styl?"
Deao says, "Please go ahead"
Stylgar says, "Yes, thanks"
Red Wolf says, "I belive that everything is fine in the source"
Red Wolf says, "No events? we had a big one today"
Red Wolf says, "No active monarch? go play with him on DT"
Red Wolf says, "Not getting to know people? I have never been
conntacted buy some people but I will eventualy"
Red Wolf says, "and group division is a natural thing due to level
differances"
Deao says, "hunter unsquelch me"
Red Wolf says, "no I don't think any thing is wrong with the source
exept when people complain when things don't go there way"
Red Wolf says, "(done)"
Miko K-sun says, "hunter has everybody squelched"
Deao says, "hunter @unfilter -tells"
Deao says, "Fun"
Deao says, "please speak your piece"
You say, "I think..."
You say, "Sorry, now I can make eye contact. :)"
You say, "I hope some of you got to read my post on the list "What
the Source means to me" today"
Blast Jr tells you, "I did and it was very good..."
You say, "I think there are problems in the source, some that Sniper
mentioned, some that Druss mentioned."
You say, "I don't think an active monarch is necessary because of the
qty. of people in the HG allegiance."
You say, "I think it's cool when Druss is around, but not essential
to me."
You say, "He however, has issues with being monarch due to the qty.
of /tells and other crap "
You say, "I am in no way able to speak for him as I do not know him
very well, but if it affects our monarch, it affects all of us."
You say, "I would suggest, as I did in my post that people volunteer
to coordinate events more often for whatever lvls are appropriate"
Deao tells you, "miko would like to answer a startement you made,
would you please address him?"
You say, "Miko?"
Miko K-sun says, "just wanted to point out about his major reasons
for being on DT"
You say, "Being that he has some peace and quiet there?"
Miko K-sun says, "it does have some to do with /tells but for the
most part it has to do with wher sister c plays"
You say, "Cool, didn't know that."
Miko K-sun says, "if simone went to dt I would follow her it is
important to us to play with our better halfs"
Fun Chow nods
Miko K-sun says, "does that help with that? (done)"
You say, "Thanks Miko."
You say, "To me the Source is about the people and we should be
together as a group in any world or game."
You say, "We have built the relationships with these people and that
(for me) is where the fun is."
You say, "If there is admin crap to be done, we find people who have
the time."
You say, "If someone wants to do a quest, throw it on the list"
You say, "Everyone needs to contribute to make this work, if you
would prefer to be lead, that may work for you, but accept the speed
with which the people doing the work get things done."
You say, "I could type for hours..."
You say, "Done"
Deao says, "Blast, your up"
Blast Jr says, "I appologize for not coming as Khali"
Hunters Chase says, "I for one miss a monarchs presense in this world"
Blast Jr says, "...basically I wanted to say something as a council
member"
Blast Jr says, "I think the council is broken"
Blast Jr says, "It was formed several months ago in a different time"
Blast Jr says, "Different people were involved then"
Blast Jr says, "Rojon was a 20 something"
Blast Jr says, "Rhodry was very active"
Blast Jr says, "Sister C was very active"
Blast Jr says, "Its a lot different now"
Blast Jr says, "...the group is different"
Blast Jr says, "I think I speak for the entire council"
Blast Jr says, "...when I say that the way the council exists right
now is not useful...its broken."
Blast Jr says, "I don't know if it comes out of a meeting like this"
Blast Jr says, "...but eventually we will need to have a new plan"
Ling Poh has left your Fellowship.
Blast Jr says, "A new council made for the new group as it exists now"
Blast Jr says, "Current council is me, miko, rojon, and sister c"
Blast Jr says, "...and dhali"
Blast Jr says, "...ne hakeem"
Blast Jr says, "So ..."
Blast Jr says, "one other thing"
Blast Jr says, "I have some experience trying to get people motivated
in this group"
Blast Jr says, "My passion since day one has been to improve
communication"
Blast Jr says, "Cronson and I and Hakeem all pushed the msg board"
You tell Deao, "could you have a quick intermission after Blast, I
want to copy this for the list serv"
Blast Jr says, "...and then we did the list serv"
Blast Jr says, "and now we can't imagine life without the spam"
Blast Jr says, "The web site too"
Blast Jr says, "I wanted us to have a web site, so I built one"
Deao tells you, "ok"
Blast Jr says, "Basically if you want this group to do something, you
have to do it"
Blast Jr says, "You are not entitled to anything just because you are
in this group"
Blast Jr says, "You have to make it happen"
You tell Deao, "nevermind, got it"
Blast Jr says, "I am very encouraged that so many people _are_
interested in events"
Deao tells you, "thank you"
Blast Jr says, "...that means someone will set something up"
Blast Jr says, "Most people wont, but some will"
Blast Jr says, "It takes a lot of work"
Blast Jr says, "Damn, I know how much"
Blast Jr says, "The web site takes maybe 5-6 hrs a wk"
Blast Jr says, "for 9 mos"
Blast Jr says, "If you want it, you have to work for it"
Blast Jr says, "Thats all"
Deao says, "Ok, Hunter"
Hunters Chase says, "Guys i dont have much to say, im still new to
this and came in at an akward time...."
Hunters Chase says, "but something speaks to me because of my past
experiences, and a monarch has always been ther"
Hunters Chase says, "Druss has been really kind to me, and I like him
alot, but who do i look up to, Rojopn is a great guy, thats why i
picked him"
You tell Deao, "I got a list of attendees too."
Deao tells you, "thank you, court scribe, heh"
Hunters Chase says, "but overall, it goes higher, and i have began to
look up to someone <Miko> because Druss plays another server."
Hunters Chase says, "Now i now high level players shouldnt worry bout
this kinda thing but we do"
Hunters Chase says, "I wanted my Monarch to be on the Island with me,
as you might want him to be in a dungeon with you"
Hunters Chase says, "But he cant, and i truly understand why"
Hunters Chase says, "But many of us will not understand why, and
those are the ones im worried about"
Hunters Chase says, "Although im new, ive been through this before,
and it turned out bad for me, and I dont want to go through that
again, so we need everyone to know exactly whats going on"
Hunters Chase says, "Older players can adapt and handle it, but the
<majority> younger players will be asking queastions, and i just hope
they can be answered"
Hunters Chase says, "I like this group, and i want to know all of you"
Hunters Chase says, "but times like this always seem to drag everyone
apart, ive seen it already"
Hunters Chase says, "Monarchless or not, someone has to step up and
say ...Hey, im here to do the job, <even if it sounds impossible> and
make people feel good"
Hunters Chase says, "I dont care who does it, it just feels so good
to have a wise person around a good % of the time"
Hunters Chase says, "To lead, joke around with, lead us to death, and
glorify our victory"
Hunters Chase says, "I think Druss was right, and that is just my
opinion, because i can understand why he is not here right now, in
this hall"
Astura al'Azif says, "tell Deao, he's not here because no one knew
about this meeting"
Astura al'Azif says, "opps"
Deao says, "lol"
Hunters Chase says, "im done"
Red Wolf cringes in terror.
Deao says, "ok"
Deao says, "I'm up to speak here"
Deao says, "and I've got a few things I'dl like to say and point out"
Deao says, "first, I want to apologize for tonight"
Deao says, "it wasn't my outing, but I have a tendency to try to run
things"
Deao says, "it's just my nature, I like things to go my way, because
I'm at times an arrogant prick, to put it bluntly"
Deao says, "and I don't always have the ability to acknowledge others
ability to do the same as well or better"
Deao says, "now, I feel that sniper has some very valid points"
Deao says, "we haven't been organized lately"
Deao says, "we haven't had many group outings"
Deao says, "we just recently started having good posts on the mailing
list"
Deao says, "and yes, our monarch has been absnet"
Deao says, "but"
Deao says, "just looking at how's here, I am still impressed at this
group unlike any other out there"
Deao says, "think about it"
Deao says, "we had about 15 minute notice about this meeting"
Deao says, "and we prolly have at least a third of our active members
here"
Deao says, "if you would have given 24 our notice, I would have
estimated 90% attendance"
Deao says, "we may be lazy, but we are loyal as hell"
Deao says, "now, a few other things I'd like to point out, most
specifically about the "old guard" as it is"
Deao says, "I think I'm tentatively in that category, although I
didn't come into the source until february or march"
Deao says, "I'm ntoa true first generation member"
Deao says, "but for me personally, I've felt some frustration with
the game itself"
Deao says, "I love playing with the group, I truly do"
Deao says, "but when I do, it's hard to end up having your character
get anywhere, to advance his skills, at my level"
Deao says, "and finding a balance of both is hard"
Deao says, "hence, the powerleveling comments a few people have made"
Deao says, "but I think the game forces that to some extent"
Deao says, "so many of the higher ups solo alot now, and aren't as
visible anymore"
Deao says, "damnit blast, I lost my train of thought, lol"
Deao says, "sorry, give me a sec to regroup"
Deao says, "where is my damn notell command"
Deao says, "anyway"
You've died 54 times.
Deao says, "there is a distinct split in levels between the higher
40+ and the lower 20 somethings"
Deao says, "the 30's kind of float between"
Deao says, "I don't personally support a split in the source though"
Deao says, "I would much prefer to keep us together"
You tell Roiga Thiloi, "are you macroing or on?"
Deao says, "but maybe a reorganization within the ranks is called for"
Deao says, "we've discussed moving the tree before, but now maybe it
should be done"
Deao says, "with one whole branch of the tree being the 20 somethings"
Deao says, "and having their head sworn directly to druss"
Deao says, "as far as events go, khali is right"
Deao says, "if you want something to happen, organize it"
Deao says, "post it"
Deao says, "set times"
Deao says, "research it so you know what's going on"
Deao says, "then lead it"
Deao says, "don't expect someone to do it for you"
Deao says, "if you need help, ask someone"
Deao says, "we are some of the laziest bastards I've ever met, but
damn do I love all of oy guys"
Deao says, "and when someone asks me for help, I try to do it"
Deao says, "and everyone else here does the same"
Deao says, "as far as the DT thing"
Deao says, "with some of our people playing there"
Deao says, "I love my white dot characters"
Deao says, "but I do have to admit, you get to a point where DT does
seem like a natural progression in the game"
Ordius is logged on.
Deao says, "I can understand intimately why several of our larger
members have taken the time to at least explore DT"
Deao says, "if not play there full time"
You tell Ordius, "can you come to the meeting hall?"
Deao says, "but that should never split us up"
Deao says, "as it's been pointed out before"
Ordius tells you, "What for?"
Deao says, "and I wholeheartedly agree"
You tell Ordius, "we're having a Source future meetings, about 20+
here"
Deao says, "we should be more than capable of spanning several
games/server/etc"
Ordius tells you, "Sure, brt"
You tell Deao, "Ordius is on his way"
Deao says, "that if you want to go try a game, we have a group of
people already there to help you learn the ropes"
Deao tells you, "thank you"
Deao says, "I love that concept"
Deao says, "anyway, I am guessing I have rambled far too long and
bored the hell out of you"
Deao says, "but I don't thin there's anything even remotely unfixable
in people's perceptions"
Deao says, "of what the source is right now"
Barack napjerks
Deao says, "damnit blast, thats twice"
Deao gathers his thoughts again
Blast Jr blushes
You tell Blast Jr, "punk. :)"
Deao says, "ok, that's where I was going"
Blast Jr tells you, "...I love messin'"
Deao says, "I do think some of said perceptions are the time of year"
Deao says, "hell, I know there are days when I jsut don't want to be
anywhere near a computer"
Sniper glennnn says, "retell or nor at all"
Deao says, "miko was talking about softball a few months ago"
Deao says, "and getting outside"
Deao says, "and that means you see less of people on AC"
Deao shrugs
Deao says, "anyway, I think we are just in a phase, for the most part"
Deao says, "growing pains so to speak, as we get to new points in our
AC experience so to speak"
Deao says, "and I'm sure we will come out at least as strong as
before"
Deao says, "because I have teh utmost faith in the members of the
source that we have now"
Deao says, "we don't take punks, and losers, and 13 year olds that
whine and talk d00dspeak"
Ordius says, "Sorry I'm late, didn't even know about this."
Deao says, "noone else did either ordius"
Deao says, "it's ok"
Deao says, "it was spur of the moment"
Astura al'Azif says, "well except for that loser Ordius... oh, hey
Ordius!"
Ordius says, "Someone fill me in through tells about what's gone on
so far?"
Deao says, "blast, could you please?"
Tamo says, "FWIW, I've been taking minutes as screenshots. I'll post
a compilation later."
Deao says, "but, as far as our members, we take very thoughtful,
intelligent, and of course as an outgrowth, opinionated individuals"
Deao says, "Tamo, you and Fun need to compare notes"
You tell Tamo, "I have the whole thing captured to date."
Tamo tells you, "me too."
You tell Tamo, "great minds..."
Deao says, "but, we are also some of the more considerate of people
I've met also"
Deao says, "anyway, I'm done, I guess that's just a few of the
thoughts that have been rambling through my head since all of this
started"
Deao says, "(done)"
Deao says, "Tamo, your up"
Tamo slaps his typist.
Stylgar says, "lol"
Barack says, "Tamo has the conch"
Tamo says, "Well, to start off, I think Deao pretty eloquently
covered most of what I was going to say."
Tamo says, "I'd like to add a few things:"
Tamo says, "Regarding the absenteeism of our monarch, I've said this
many times before, both on the list and to people in conversation."
Tamo says, "The group is bigger than just the man."
Tamo says, "He may have started this with just a few people, but from
my perspective, this is one of the closest-knit groups I've seen.
Period."
Tamo says, "Yes, there are divisions in the ranks, for the reasons
stated."
Tamo says, "Level restrictions on fellowships, outings, what-have-
you."
Tamo says, "There's been debate over having multiple characters
within the Source. Personally, I don't see it as such a bad thing
(yes, there's cohesion to this thought)"
Blast Jr has left your Fellowship.
Tamo says, "It enables some of the higher-level people, like Deao,
Khali, Mizu, etc. to adventure with more of the "new guard" as it
were."
Tamo says, "Sure, I've seen some of the originals around town. Have I
adventured with many to date? Not really."
Tamo says, "Had Deao not brought Boomstick out, or Farik/Astura,
Khali/Blast Jr, I could have said, to date, that I'd not been out
with any of them."
Tamo says, "Had they not had those characters, I probably never would
be."
Tamo says, "It's things like that that actually help to keep us
together."
Tamo says, "sorry."
Tamo says, "So is there division? Yes. Is it as wide as some make it
out to be? Not really."
Tamo says, "Getting back to absenteeism (ok, so I strayed)..."
Tamo says, "I happen to work with Druss, so I see Jamie, the man, on
a daily basis. Perhaps I'm spoiled in that respect."
Tamo says, "I know basically what he thinks of the group, and I don't
presume to speak in his place..."
Ordius has logged off.
Tamo says, "He's damned proud of what we've become."
Tamo says, "And I see it tear him up when discord rears its ugly
head, whether in-game, on the lists, etc."
Tamo says, "But as I said, the group has become more than the man."
Tamo says, "(sorry...I'm beginning to nod...it's 2:20 am where I am)"
Tamo says, "He's made some suggestions for the betterment of the
group."
Tamo says, "Splitting the tree, stepping down...all those things were
in some small part for personal reasons, but underneath it all, I
seriously doubt that he wants us to fly apart at <more>"
Tamo says, "the seams."
Tamo says, "Some people see this happening. I don't think it's as
extreme as all that."
Tamo says, "Re: the council"
Tamo says, "Some people feel that the council is a distant entity,
some don't know why it exists. Others realize its importance but
still don't know what it presides over."
Ordius is logged on.
Tamo says, "If council members say the Council is broken, I'd say
that's a fairly good indication of truth to that statement."
Tamo says, "What becomes of things, I can't say. Suggestions have
been made about elections, about delegating responsibilities to
subcommittees..."
Tamo says, "It all boils down to the fact that we all care about this
group, and we're trying, albeit in our own ways, to keep it together
the best way we know how."
Your Arcane Lore skill is now 78!
Your Arcane Lore skill is now 79!
Tamo says, "Sure there are problems. But like Deao said, nothing that
can't be fixed."
Tamo says, "I'd hardly say that our Monarch and his Lady playing on
DT is a major issue."
Tamo says, "This group spans across servers. There's no reason we
couldn't span across games. Hell, when it comes down to it, we span
across CONTINENTS already."
Tamo says, "Hypothetical situation: Jamie decides he's had enough of
Asheron's Call (gasp! did he really say that?). Just up and quits."
Tamo says, "Sure there'd be some turmoil. I think we'd all come back
together eventually."
Tamo says, "Would I personally say "Damn, the monarch's gone? There
goes the group..." ..? Don't bet on it."
Tamo says, "Reality: the monarch is absent. He's not as available as
some would like."
Tamo says, "Truthfully, he is available. Maybe not on Harvestgain,
but he is available on the list, via e-mail..."
Tamo says, "So we may not see him very often on group adventures.
It's a fact that we have to deal with."
Astura al'Azif has left your Fellowship.
Tamo says, "(lag)"
Tamo says, "I did have more to say, but I'm entirely fried from not
having slept for 39 hours."
Tamo says, "(done)"
Stylgar nudges Deao
Stylgar kicks Deao
Deao says, "Miko"
Deao says, "tells"
Deao says, "my whole screen is yellow you hos, lol"
Miko K-sun says, "ok first thing it's 2:30 am here .. um sniper i'm
tired :)"
Sniper glennnn says, "sory :-)"
Miko K-sun says, "second ... guess I'm old school so I should speak"
Miko K-sun says, "how old school.. well beta with jamie.. magic with
jamie friends with jamie"
Miko K-sun says, "ok I think the real problem that we have is
nolonger a sense of comunity.. this has been brought out because we
reall don't do much stuff together anymore"
Miko K-sun says, "we had a good outing tonight and another planed
tomorrow.. but these are the first in weeks"
Miko K-sun says, "chat dance sorry"
Miko K-sun says, "Miko (me) i'm a good example I like to spend my
time alone ... when sniper brought stuff up I put together an
outting.. was I gonna no I wasn't.. so thanks sniper tomorrow will
be "
Miko K-sun says, "fun and it's because of you"
Miko K-sun says, "no what should we do??"
Miko K-sun says, "I think we need a comitte to organize an event once
a week.. atleast one "
Miko K-sun says, "this should be made up of members of all lvls and
nobody should serve for more then 1 - 2 months so no burnout"
Miko K-sun says, "maybe 4 members maybe 3 maybe 5 but I think a
comitte would help"
Miko K-sun says, "next we need (maybe same comitte) to over see new
members"
Miko K-sun says, "we need to look over the old rules examine them see
if they are correct or need changing"
Miko K-sun says, "that will help us feel more like a comunity again..
now on to Druss"
Miko K-sun says, "first off .. I think most people want to keep our
identy with the group as Druss as the monarch .. what I can do to
help this is try to be what could be called"
Miko K-sun says, "the hg monarch.. why well cause I can see jamie in
rl and let him know .. hey tell mare the gang on hg needs to see you
play friday night with us"
Miko K-sun says, "I am not interested in having ti say miko k-sun as
your monarch (um that would suck) I love reeve druss on my screen"
Miko K-sun says, "but I can see jamie as tamo can .. when ever the
need arrives"
Miko K-sun says, "um ok now I'm rambling .. deao had an idea on the
comitee and i'm done if nobody has questions"
Deao says, "ok, briefly"
Deao says, "an idea for the event committee"
Deao says, "it has one member in every ten level range"
Deao says, "one in the teens, on in the 20's, etc etc"
Deao says, "so currently it would have 5 members"
Deao says, "they get together and talk to each other about events to
organize"
Deao says, "each is responsible for their level range"
Deao says, "so, in effect, when you get out of that level range, you
abdicate your committe posintion, avoiding burnout"
Deao says, "they can communicate through email because others may
have advice etc"
Deao says, "and each level group doesn't have to oragnize an event
each week"
Deao says, "onyl one event for the group"
Deao says, "if they would like to, that's fin"
Deao says, "also, if the 20 something want an outing"
Deao says, "and Fun wants to go"
Deao says, "or red wants to go"
Deao says, "it's all good"
Deao says, "but I'm sure they could work out specifics later"
Deao says, "someone needs to make sure that hits the mailing list"
Deao says, "also everyone should have input... the committee needs
to have feedback so the events are wanted events and not flops"
Deao says, "ok, Red, you had a question also?"
Deao says, "wait"
Deao says, "one other thing"
Deao says, "the same should be for the committee for new members"
Deao says, "one member on the new member committee from each level
range"
Deao says, "ok, NOW I'm done, sorry red"
Deao says, "your up"
Deao says, "ohohoh"
Deao laughs
Deao says, "sorry"
Red Wolf says, "nm I just thought of a simple solution to my thought"
Red Wolf says, "=)"
Deao says, "um, each level range member is responsible for
interviewing and getting new members into source outings"
Deao says, "so the new member committee, and the event commitee would
be working together quite a bit"
Deao says, "interviewing new members in their level range"
Deao says, "ok, go khali"
Deao ties his lips shut
Khali says, "I just wanted to say that "
Khali says, "....if you are the organizer.."
Khali says, "you can't complain because no one shows up"
Khali says, "Thats the deal"
Khali says, "...you try...we all like that"
Khali says, "...but if no one comes, thats just how it goes"
Khali says, "Ordius, you tried to do a comprehensive census"
Khali says, "....I've tried it _many_ times"
Khali says, "If it doesn't come it doesn't come"
Khali says, "Thats all"
You tell Deao, "I have an add on comment to khali"
Red Wolf says, "lazy =)"
Sniper glennnn -)
Deao tells you, "got you fun"
Deao says, "Go Fun"
You say, "The fact that we are all here talking about this at this
hour is a marvel"
You say, "In respect to org'ing events, RL will always take
precedence and even with this evening events, people had to back out
because of commitments"
You say, "So, don't feel bad if an event doesn't work out, we'll all
go at some point, just need some patience... yeah.... yeah, just a
little....oh sorry :)"
You say, "done"
Deao says, "Ordius?"
Deao says, "your up bro"
Ordius says, "Well, I'll try to type quickly, but I have a little bit
to say here, because I think my ideas are a lot more radical than
most here regarding reform."
Ordius says, "I believe that more than anything else, the actual size
of the source is the main stumbling block to our well-being and
success."
Ordius says, "I know that when I was taking the survey of all the
members, there were some that didn't log on in 3 weeks, some that
were totally awol, and others who had 2-3 different characters"
Ordius says, "In the source at once, which made it impossible to get
an accurate list of who was who."
Ordius says, "I think it's a HUGE stumbling block to the well being
of the group to have nearly/over 100 members, with only about 50-60
of them being active/around at all, because it takes"
Ordius says, "Away from the close-knit group feel, and togetherness
factor. This leads me to two arguements I've made, and I think I'm
the only one who's made them so far:"
Ordius says, "1) Everyone should only have active characters in the
Source. Let's say that you have two characters in the source, and
one of them at this point"
Deao tells you, "have you been getting everything"
Ordius says, "Was a really really old character who was a horrible
template, is basically a mule now, BUT"
You tell Deao, "yep"
Ordius says, "Since they originally were a highish level source
member, they are still a source member"
Ordius says, "I think there's no real reason to keep a character in
the Source who has no realistic chance of being played ever again.
This would"
Ordius says, "Keep the group more wieldly, because Ideally we should
each be able to name 75-100% of the members in the Source, butI think"
Ordius says, "Most people couldn't name 50%, at the most."
Ordius says, "My second thing is to prune out inactive members. If
we're to keep the group small, I'd rather kick out all the totally
inactive members"
Ordius says, "(And I know of a few people who have vassals who
haven't logged on in MONTHS) so we can make room for new blood, than
to have again"
Ordius says, "The 100+ stagnant members who just aren't even playing
anymore. One of the MAIN problems is lack of new blood,"
Ordius says, "Between the TOTALY ineffectual method of getting new
people into the source, combined with the lack of monarch, and
feeling of bloating of the group"
Ordius says, "Combines a lot towards the feeling of alienation and
non-togetherness that I think a lot of people are feeling."
Ordius says, "TheOk, that's all for now"
Stylgar apologizes profusely, but must go to bed...
Red Wolf says, "nudge Deao."
Deao says, "Rimmy"
Deao says, "your up bro"
Rimgar Redsun says, "Well the hour is late...."
Rimgar Redsun says, "Many of us are tied.."
Rimgar Redsun says, "and some have probably fallen asleep at their
keyboard."
Simone atleast put on some pants Rimmy
Rimgar Redsun says, "So i will keep this brutally blunt and short"
Rimgar Redsun says, "Ah, sorry, i seem to b at odd with my tailor at
this time."
Rimgar Redsun says, "I feel that we have all been danceing around
what should be the main topic."
Rimgar Redsun says, "Druss no longer wants to be the Monarch of The
Source."
Rimgar Redsun says, "Miko does not want to be the new Monarch"
Rimgar Redsun says, "I as well as everyone else love to see Druss's
name as Monarch, but..."
Rimgar Redsun says, "He doens't want to be anymore and we should put
his wants above our own. So......"
Rimgar Redsun says, "if what Miko has stated about being the HG
Monarch does not work out..."
Rimgar Redsun says, "then and *hopefully* i won't get too much flak
about this, i would be honored to work with everyone to stear The
Source into its future. (it is late so i will look forward to the.."
Rimgar Redsun says, "e-mails on the listserve)"
Rimgar Redsun says, "<done>"
Deao says, "Go Miko"
Miko K-sun says, "just wanted to point out there are few of us left
at this our.. but "
Miko K-sun says, "I wanted to point out the rimmy should not get flak
for offering to lead nobody should"
Deao says, "No flack at all Miko"
Deao says, "I know rimmy has the group's interest at heart"
Miko K-sun says, "I think we all do .. but I thought it should be
brought up right now that rimmy should not expect flak in his inbox
tomorrow"
Deao says, "would anyone else like to say something?"
Sniper glennnn says, "i would"
Red Wolf yawns.
Ordius says, "My cat's breath smells like cat food."
Deao says, "oosp"
Sniper glennnn says, "LOL"
Deao says, "sorry sniper, I forgot khali was in que"
Deao says, "go khali"
Sniper glennnn says, "ok i sit"
Red Wolf says, "That is my favorit line =)"
Khali says, "I'd like to see suggestions (to the listserv) of how to
fairly"
Khali says, "...bring all this to resolution"
Khali says, "We had a polll"
Khali says, "...some people had problems with the poll"
Khali says, "We have discussions"
Khali says, "...not everyone can make them"
Khali says, "I'd like people to make suggestions as to how we can do
this"
Khali says, "...in a way that represents people"
Khali says, "...and brings us to someplace we want to go"
Khali says, "done"
Deao says, "Sniper, your up bro"
Sniper glennnn says, "well "
Sniper glennnn says, "as logn as rim stepped up "
Sniper glennnn says, "i guess i will"
Sniper glennnn says, "i dont wanan be monarch"
Sniper glennnn says, "but "IF" rim ends up bein the monarch"
Sniper glennnn says, "i volunteer ( as a RL friend) to try to help
him as much as i can pollitically"
Sniper glennnn says, "all i haev to say"
Deao says, "Fun, you got everything tonight, yes?"
You say, "Yepper"
Red Wolf raises his hand
Deao says, "ok"
You say, "Just finished editing it"
Khali tells you, "damn...you're good :-)"
Deao says, "Fun will post it to the list tomorrow, or tonight"
Deao says, "whichever may be sooner"
Red Wolf says, "got a questoin"
Tamo tells you, "I abdicate the position of meeting secretary to you.
I'm nowhere near coherent right now."
Deao says, "Also, I am going to edit some of it, to pull as many
suggestions as possible out of it, so we can have something to look
at"
You say, "It is the morning. :)"
Deao says, "yes Red?"
Red Wolf says, "question for one of Jamies RL friends, dose he want a
break from being monarch or give it up alltogher"
Miko K-sun says, "shall I answere?"
Deao says, "Miko?"
Sniper glennnn says, "yes pls"
Deao says, "please do"
Miko K-sun says, "i can only give some truth and some opinion on this"
Red Wolf says, "that is all I am asking"
Miko K-sun says, "at this point Jamie needs a break from feeling like
he has to attend every meeting every event etc."
Miko K-sun says, "I get the impression that he wants somebody to take
over so he wont feel like he is deserting .. I can tell if he really
wants to go for good or not"
Miko K-sun says, "I can't tell that is"
Red Wolf says, "ok thank you Miko"
Miko K-sun says, "I think that any kind of leadership on HG will take
the burden off his shoulders whether it's by comitte or new monarch"
Deao says, "I personally would vote for committee, alot of our
identity is wrapped up in our name, my opinion anyway"
Deao says, "Ordius?"
Deao says, "your up"
Ordius says, "Well, one thing that I think is really important, which
honestly hasn't been touched upon at ALL in any conversations I've
seen are the PROS to having a new monarch:"
Ordius says, "I think the MAIN arguement for keeping DRuss as monarch
is the identity, that's about it."
Deao says, "not the main arguement Ordius"
Deao says, "honestly"
Deao says, "it's not really about the identity"
Deao says, "it's because it jamie, and alot of us have a tone of
respsect for him"
Ordius says, "TheBut Jamie has flat out said he doesn't want to be
monarch"
Deao says, "and I personally, even if he approved, would feel like I
betrayed something by breaking from him to reorganize"
Ordius says, "And he has personally been pushing for a new monarch."
Deao says, "and I personally, even if he approved, would feel like I
betrayed something by breaking from him to reorganize"
Ordius says, "But I digress, let me finish my point here first :)"
Deao says, "even IF he approved"
Deao says, "one of the reasons I have so pushed for committees"
Deao says, "I don't want another monarch"
Deao says, "even if the one we have doesn't play much"
Ordius says, "One thing that is missing from all this is the fact
that having an absentee monarch really HURTS our relations with
outside members."
Deao says, "I'm sorry ordius"
Deao says, "I didn't mean to butt in"
Ordius says, "Basically, the monarch is the FIRST person anyone
outside the source looks to for praise, complaints, inquiries, help,
questions about joining, etc"
Ordius says, "The advantages of an active monarch versus a figurehead
inactive one are numerous--the monarch is THE most important"
Your Missile Defense skill is now 50!
Ordius says, "Person for any allegience, as far as keeping things
organized, because in the end, A) They are the main respresentitive
to the outside, and B)"
Ordius says, "When it comes down to it, their word carries the most
weight. Without and active monarch, we lose a very important"
Ordius says, "Conduit to the rest of the server, and we lose our main
representitive to the rest of the server."
Ordius says, "Address Deao: Druss's original DESIRE was to step down
and have an active monarch (Miko originally), and understandably,
Miko was honest in saying he didn't want that responsibili"
Ordius says, "And from day one, Druss has really not wanted the whole
responsibility of organizing the Source: He envisioned being leader
of the source, not having to manage"
Ordius says, "All the politics of the people outside the source
looking to him as the figurehead of the source."
Ordius says, "So as far as respecting Jamie's wishes, his personal
wish was to have a new monarch, but he doesn't want to hurt feelings
by stepping down if too many people are hurt by it."
Ordius says, "Ok, that's all."
Deao says, "ok, rebuttal for you Ordius"
Deao says, "if you don't mind for a sec"
Sniper glennnn says, "tamo"
Tamo says, "Yes?"
Sniper glennnn says, "call it teh ordius/deao battle of the minds :-)"
Deao says, "First, and I can safely say this"
Sniper glennnn says, "on teh list serv"
Deao says, "Druss has not even been close to our most visible member
with other monarchies"
Deao says, "not as an active monarch"
Ordius says, "I have no mind"
Deao says, "Most people associate his name with us"
Deao says, "but not many other monarchies look to him as our
representative, even when he played alot"
Deao says, "As far as pros for keeping him"
Deao says, "A: yes, we do have name recognition with him"
Deao says, "but that's not the most important, not to me"
Deao says, "the most important thing, to me, is my sense of wellbeing"
Deao says, "Druss has been, and will be my monarch, if I have even
the remotest say about it"
Deao says, "I feel comfortable knowing that the man Jamie Wakefield
is, as I've come to know him is my monarch, whether active or not"
Deao says, "As far as visibility"
Deao says, "look at any of the larger monarchies"
Stylgar has logged off.
Deao says, "they are not run by an active monarch, they are run by a
council"
Deao says, "check their websites"
Deao says, "their monarch may play, or he may be inactive"
Deao says, "I talked to a member of fizzles monarchy"
Deao says, "who was on their council"
Deao says, "did you know fizzle once logged on as fizzle and gained
almost 15 levels"
Deao says, "?"
Deao says, "yet, you rarely hear rumblings about their monarch not
being presetn"
Deao says, "our monarch is not the problem"
Deao says, "our sense of community is"
Gryff says, "May I say something?"
Deao says, "it has been for awhlie because we had a few negative
elements in it"
Deao says, "and we are now feeling the backlash of said elements"
You tell Deao, "Gryff has a question..."
Deao tells you, "I got him"
Deao says, "I really do agree with Miko that if we get a few
individuals, such as yourself, who are organizational types"
Deao says, "and who wish to run either a new member committee or an
event committee"
Deao says, "it will go a long way towards fostering are sense of
brotherhood, that we've had for so long, although recently it has
felt like we lost our way"
Deao says, "I am glad your radical in your ideas ordius"
Deao says, "it's a fresh breath to hear new ideas"
Deao says, "but I do have to tell you that I disagree that an active
monarch is the solution to our problems"
Deao says, "and on top of that"
Deao says, "I'm a selfish prick and I don't WANT another name as my
monarch"
Deao says, "Rant(done)"
Deao says, "go gryff"
Gryff says, "I usually stay out of the political stuff "
Gryff says, "I want to hunt the little bit of time I get to play and
its the same with many of us right Miko"
Miko K-sun says, "yes"
Gryff says, "anyway last time the idea of reorganizing was brought up
I was against it"
Gryff says, "however we may want to at least consider it"
You tell Simone, "sorry, didn't mean to sit you your lap there,
especially with Miko right there. :)"
Simone tells you, "well he was sitting on Khali's so tit for tat :-)
lol"
Gryff says, "Most of the people on the original source council are
either gone to "
Gryff says, "DT or have quit entirely"
Gryff says, "I think we should think at least of forming a new one
made up new people as well as the old"
Gryff says, "I know I feel like the source is falling apart because
most of the people I joined the source to play with are now gone"
Gryff says, "just wanted to voice a few opinions"
Gryff says, "that is all"
Deao says, "simone, go"
Simone says, "well I usually don't speak as most of you know"
Ordius says, "OH MY GOD! She's not mute!@"
Ordius shuts up now.
Simone says, "If you all don't know I am one of those old school
people.. original 6 we were called"
Simone says, "I think we all need to ask ourselves what do we want in
a monarch"
Simone says, "and we also need to realize that there will need to be
some compromise to keep the source together"
Simone says, "as individuals we all have our own opinions and boy do
we in this group"
Simone says, "So if we want the source to stay united then we really
should try to compromise "
Simone says, "I have fellings on both sides.... I have been under
Druss from day one and boy it would be strange to not have monarch
druss but we need to see his side"
Simone says, "I think he needs to be in this decision also.. it is
his name "
Sniper glennnn says, "may i break in?"
Simone says, "so just think about how the other side feels and try to
think of some good ways to make as many of us happy as possible"
Simone says, "sure"
Sniper glennnn says, "ok how does this sound"
Sniper glennnn says, "btw this is a need sleep idea"
Sniper glennnn says, "how about we have a MASSIVE meeting next friday"
Sniper glennnn says, "just a thought"
Sniper glennnn says, "sorry to intrude"
Sniper glennnn says, "done"
Red Wolf says, "sure just post it on the board and expect it to be
LONG"
Rimgar Redsun says, "Simone, continue pls."
Red Wolf says, "oh sorry"
Miko K-sun says, "if so I nominate sniper to plan it since he really
wants to get this done"
Tamo says, "Seconded."
Simone says, "That is not a problem I am done.. just wanted everyone
to think about how the other feels before things get out of hand"
You say, "3"
Deao says, "ok"
Deao says, "Now, I'd like to wrap this up"
Deao says, "it's very late"
Sniper glennnn says, "yay"
Miko K-sun says, "sniper would you plan ..ie post ect a meeting for
friday?"
Deao says, "and many of us need some sleep"
Tamo says, "And how"
Simone sits and will not be heard from for a very long time
Deao says, "sniper, your nominated"
Ordius says, "Hell, I wanna get out there and kill soem bandies ;)"
Sniper glennnn says, "yes i will write a massive badly spelled letter"
Deao says, "as Khali said, you want something done, you've got to do
it"
You tell Simone, "thanks, that was realy cool what you said, good
perspecive on Druss' side of things..."
Sniper glennnn says, "im doing guys, "
Deao says, "I'm just glad all of you stayed this long"
Sniper glennnn says, "i hope i didnt make anyoen angry by doing this"
Deao says, "Not at all sniper"
Ordius says, "I am so mad, that I will never speak to me again!"
Sniper glennnn says, "i feel like a lot of thigns have been sead"
Ordius @squelches Ordius.
Deao slaps Ordius with a wet trout
Tamo says, "Had to happen sooner or later, the way things have been
going."
Red Wolf says, "I have to go to the batheroom can I go PLEASE!!"
Sniper glennnn says, "adn a lto of ppl spoke that normally dont"
Deao says, "yes"
Deao says, "I'm am officially closing this meeting"
Sniper glennnn says, "seconded"
You say, "DONE!!!!"
Tamo says, "Alright, I get to drive home now"
Deao says, "again, thank you everyone for attending"
You say, "Me too"
Sniper glennnn says, "thank you so much guys"
Ordius says, "KILL KILL KILL THE BANDIES! KILL THE BANDIES NOW!
KILL KILL KILL!"
Deao says, "sniper, btw"
Sniper glennnn says, "yes?"
Ordius says, "Malar Eaja"
Deao says, "try to make it for next saturday"
Ordius says, "Good meeting folks ;)"
Tamo says, "Aye."
Sniper glennnn says, "okie :-)"
Deao says, "so that everyone has an oppurtunoity to attend"
Ordius says, "Sunday"
Deao says, "that's the best day"
Ordius says, "Malar Eapaj"
Ordius says, "Malar Ealoi"
Sniper glennnn says, "sounds cool"
Sniper glennnn says, "miko"
Ordius says, "Make it for the next vernal equinox!"
Ordius says, "Malar Eavik"
Ordius says, "Malar Eati"
Miko K-sun says, "miko was sleeping"
Ordius says, "Malar Quasith"
Deao says, "Simone"
Sniper glennnn says, "psl send druss a royal invitation"
Tamo yawns.
Tamo says, "Discuss it on the list. I'm outta here.."
Ordius says, "Malar Quareth"
Ordius says, "Malar Quavik"
Tamo says, "*grin*"
Deao says, "gryff has gift for you"
Miko K-sun says, "day it's ok just pick a day in the weekend"
Ordius says, "Puish Zharil"
Ordius says, "Malar Zhavik"
Miko K-sun says, "i will"
Ordius says, "Malar Zhavik"
Ordius says, "Puish Zharil"
Sniper glennnn says, "btw"
Ordius says, "Happy huntings all ;)"
Ordius says, "Helkas Quasith"
Deao says, "I can only make firdays and saturdays guys"
Ordius says, "Helkas Quasith"
Tamo says, "G'nite all (morning, as it is)"
Ordius says, "Helkas Quasith"
Deao says, "that's my weekend"
Ordius says, "Helkas Quasith"
Simone says, "I am not going anywhere"
Sniper glennnn says, "i am goin to hold the meeting in a more private
place"
You tell Tamo, "nite bud"
Ordius says, "Helkas Quareth"
Ordius says, "Helkas Quavik"
Ordius says, "Malar Zhavik"
Ordius says, "Malar Zhavik"
Ordius says, "Puish Zharil"
You say, "Like Rithwic/"
Tamo has logged off.
You say, "?"
Sniper glennnn says, "no"
Simone says, "perfect"
Miko K-sun says, "sniper please request no mules only main char"
Sniper glennnn says, "anyoen go to rhoadrys wedding?"
Red Wolf says, "the cragstone water fall is nice"
Sniper glennnn says, "the ruin "
Deao says, "red wolf suggests the crag water fall"
You say, "Nanto is easier for a lot of use"
Sniper glennnn says, "it will work nice i think"
You say, "us"
Sniper glennnn says, "ic an make portalif needed"
You say, "Nanto falls?"
Sniper glennnn says, "is up n the air"
Deao says, "nooo"
Sniper glennnn says, "khali"
Deao says, "not nanto falls"
You say, "Or a portal as long as someone portals me back :)"
Rimgar Redsun says, "Sniper, just post the courds to the place and
say that this is where its gonna b @."
Khali says, "yes, sg?"
Snakeyes says, "hey Red Wolf ;)"
Red Wolf says, "you missed it snake"
Red Wolf says, "hi"
Sniper glennnn says, "how do i post somethign on teh front page of
the website?"
Snakeyes says, "hehe I know.. I came in late"
Khali says, "send it to me"
Rimgar Redsun says, "send it to Khali"
Khali says, "...then I open up dreamweaver...*snores*"
Sniper glennnn says, "ok il make it short adn ill love ya to death if
oyu put it ont eh front"
Khali says, "oops sorry"
Red Wolf says, "gota log it has been a long day"
Khali says, "...drifted off"
Simone says, "ok which one of you is Gryff"
Rimgar Redsun says, "lol "
Sniper glennnn says, "ok guys"
Rimgar Redsun says, "i've got to check something for a trade, brb, i
think."